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Hi guys!

I recently discovered something very interesting. As I didn't know this, I thought some of you might also not know this, thus it could be helpful (even life changing) to share this info.

Did you know that the key to selling your book successfully, you need to start with the marketing process of your book months in advance. The ideal is to start with this before even start writing the book, but it will still be effective if you start a few months before your manuscript is done. You need to have a battle plan about how you're going to sell your book, before you are finished writing it. Here's a few articles on this marketing strategy that might help you make the difference between selling a thousand books and zero. 

- Marketing Your Book 
- Tips to Effectively Pre-sell your books
- The Importance of a Pre-publication marketing plan.

So the moral of this story is - Don't wait until it's too late, start planning now! Unsure about how to do it all, allow us to help you make a success of your writing. Have a look at all of services we can help you with - Services

Hope this could make a difference in all of your lives!

Leana

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sooner7 Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014   Writer
I can slightly agree with this. But in my opinion it seems that the best way to sell your book (and this is the case I've dealt with a few times from people who's books I am eager to be able to buy) is to bring your characters to life while you're still working on the book. Only reveal so little of the plot, while making people fall in love with the characters. This way the plot can be much easily played with during that time, and you're all the more free to make some changes to the characters.
As a writer myself, I haven't been able to stick with the original plot on most of my stories. All the plots need tweaking to improve them, but the characters remain the same.
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mippieArt Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
That's great advice yeah, to promote the characters rather than the plot. I like it!! Thanks for sharing!!
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sooner7 Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2014   Writer
You're welcome. :) I'm glad it's worthwhile advice.
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vglory Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014
The goal of marketing is to sell product. How could you possibly start doing that before you are sure what the product is? Seems like a lot of wasted effort.
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Flareice Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, ideally, you would have the plot planned out already before you start writing.  That way you would have something to follow if you got stuck while writing.  You can use that basic plotline to start advertising the story, because while it's true exact dialogue may be changed along the way, and while minor events will still change, you've still got the basic outline with which you can advertise the upcoming book.
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vglory Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014
In my opinion you cannot advertise something to be delivered at an unspecified date by an unspecified publisher.  Any advertising I did would risk screwing up the publishing deal if they know they could sell the crap out of it using a different approach, but I had already muddied the waters.
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Flareice Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah.  I'm just now realizing how wrong I was in my last comment, which was posted late at night for me.  I think the best approach would be to finish writing the book then start advertising while it's being edited and stuff.
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HtBlack Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014
A book isn't the plot, a book is how the plot is told. So no, just giving someone the plot instead of your already written story will not work, and a publisher will not accept it and do the marketing for it.
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Flareice Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Right.  I'm realizing that now, having posted my comment at a time that was late for me last night.  I'm not even gonna say any more about it considering how wrong I was.  XD  And considering how little I know about being an author.
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HtBlack Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014
Wow, it's really nice to find some people who can take back something they said just like that. :heart: I admire that.
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Flareice Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks... I'm touched.  Nobody's ever told me they admire me for anything before.  I mean... thanks.
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HtBlack Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014
Eh, you know, the internet's full of people who act like they know everything, are always right, and better than everyone. I appreciate it when I find someone who can admit when they were wrong, and step back. I really do. 
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Flareice Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well... I'm glad.  I'm glad it's appreciated.  I mean... I don't know what to say; nobody's said that they admire me as a person for anything, much less for a life "skill" that I value too...  And the kind of person who acts like he or she is better than everyone else, acts like he/she knows everything is all over the place, not just the Internet...  I'm glad somebody else values not being like that.
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mippieArt Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Thank for the reply to this question, you said it better than I could'v
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Flareice Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No problem.  ^^
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DrippingWords Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Student Writer
How are you supposed to sell a manuscript that hasn't been written? If there is no manuscript, agents and publishers have nothing to buy, and  nothing to guarantee you WILL write anything, so they will not hire you. If you make a habit of trying to sell publishers something that you haven't written, you might be black listed in the industry and no one will sell your book.

Also, the Titan Publishing place that you're pushing seems extremely shady. Like PinkyMcCoversong said, traditional publishing never asks you to pay for anything. Most things that do are scams.
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mippieArt Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Mmm, well I ask the same question, but if you check out the article links I added, they explain it better than I can. I assure you Titan is not a scam. Please see the reply I made on :devPinkMcCoversong: 's comment. I fully understand why you guys would think that. I was pushing them hard, it's the only publisher's I know who actually do like video with music pre-publishing trailors, I though it's something cool to share. It's sad that the world with all the bad people in it has made such sceptics of us all. I had a very long and hard conversation with neurotype about this journal. If you question my motives, talk to her/him.
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DrippingWords Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Student Writer
Thanks for the info and the civil reply. :)
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neurotype Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Are you referring to book trailers? They've been popular for the past four-odd years.
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JamesWestbrook Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Why am I faving this? (I happen to be a writer)
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mippieArt Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I don't know, you tell me why you are faving this...
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JamesWestbrook Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
(Because I happen to be a writer ssssshhhhhhhhh)
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TigerDragonMaster Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Or you could finish your book first. Then market it as though you are still writing it so you already have everything ready. (insert evil laugh here)
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mippieArt Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Lol, very smart yeah!! I like the way you think
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PinkyMcCoversong Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Professional Writer
I'm commenting here because somehow this made it into the footer, and I think that writers on dA need to know the facts.

Here are some facts:
The services you offer are not traditional publishing.  It appears to be a vanity press.  Some people like vanity presses, but some people don't know what they are.

In traditional publishing, an author DOES NOT PAY THE PUBLISHER.  EVER.  FOR ANYTHING.  An author might pay out of pocket for materials he wants or needs that the publisher doesn't supply (postcards or maybe a book trailer, author website and design).  But he DOES NOT PAY THE PUBLISHER.

If a publisher asks you for money, it is NOT A TRADITIONAL PUBLISHER.  If a publisher asks you for money and says they are a traditional publisher and not a vanity publisher, THEY ARE SCAMMING YOU.

If someone is offering you publicity services but the grammar in the offer for these services is shoddy at best, you probably shouldn't hire him or her.

I'm a traditionally published author.  I have publication credits in the YA market, literary magazines, and poetry chapbooks.  I've been doing this for years.  Writers, if you have any questions about publishing, I answer them regularly in the literature forums.  The active thread is here: forum.deviantart.com/art/liter…  Past threads, chock full of information from me and other published authors like vglory and neurotype are here forum.deviantart.com/art/liter… and here forum.deviantart.com/art/liter…
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SadisticIceCream Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014   Writer
This. :highfive:
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mippieArt Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Hey there,

Ok now I understand what a traditional publisher and a vanity publisher is. I think the publisher I linked in this article actually also came to that conclusion. After this was posted, yesterday, they changed their service fees so that everything is included for only $150. I think why they at this stage still need to ask some kind of a fee, is due to the fact they have only been at it for 1 year. I spoke to the guy after I read this and he said yes they want to eventually be able to publish without the authors paying anything, at this stage it would just still be like shooting them in the foot... THey are doing good, so hopefully soon they will be what you call a traditional publisher.

THanks for commenting!!
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PinkyMcCoversong Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014  Professional Writer
If they are asking for a fee, it doesn't matter how much, it's vanity publishing.  If they publish anyone, regardless of skill, it's vanity publishing.  So it sounds like they really need to research the market.
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LiliWrites Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Thank you. :heart:

When I was young I got all kinds of excited when I found vanity press adverts in my mailbox because I'd submitted a couple poems to local mags and somehow got my address on a mailing list. It was such a scam and I'm glad I had voices here on dA to clear things up for me.
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PinkyMcCoversong Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Professional Writer
I once got a phone call from Xlibris.  I was excited.  Then I realized what they were....less excited.
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DaddyHoggy Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014
My writer's group both as a collective and individuals have found blogs a useful mechanism for 'marketing' - you can engage with target audience - share snippets - discuss progress as the book goes along. You can link back to blogs in tweets and FB updates...

The danger of starting too early is you get caught up in marketing/engagement and forget that you're also supposed to be producing the thing you're trying to market and/or precious writing time is used up trying to sustain perceived marketing momentum.
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mippieArt Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks for the comment. As I'm still just getting into it, I am loving the bunch of different opinions I am getting... And I do agree, blogs are great. 

About the pre-publishing, it actually makes a lot of sense. And obviously there are ways to make sure you still finish your manuscript and get the pre-publishing stuff done. It can be dangerous, but I think the key is to get somebody to help you with that. 

But as I said, what do I know, lol, I'm an artist, not so much a writer...
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DaddyHoggy Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014
As a writer and master procrastinator - telling myself I was "marketing" and therefore still somehow involved in the actual creative process... yeah, I'd be marketing vapourware for a very long time... ;)
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pureawesome101 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Student Writer
Going to have to remember this one...
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mippieArt Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Awesome! Let me know if you ever need my help!
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